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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

After Dobbs: Does ‘Big Tent’ Feminism Exist? Should It?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 14 September 2022

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

For decades, the story of the American feminist movement seemed like a progression of hard-won gains: Title IX, Roe v. Wade, the Violence Against Women Act, #MeToo. But in a post-“lean in” and post-Roe America, the momentum seems to have reversed, leaving some feminists to wonder: What are we fighting for? And who is in that fight? So this week, “The Argument” is kicking off a three-part series to dive into the state of feminism today. In the first episode, Jane Coaston brings together two people who have helped shaped how we think about feminism. Anne-Marie Slaughter is the chief executive of New America and wrote the influential 2012 Atlantic essay “Why Women Can’t Have It All.” The article was critiqued by our second guest, Tressie McMillan Cottom, a sociologist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill (and a Times columnist). Ten years later, the two women discuss what’s next for feminism — personal disagreements included — and debate Jane’s fundamental question: Is feminism an identity that you claim or an action that you take? (A full transcript of the episode will be available midday on the Times website.)

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0:00.0

Hi, Jane. My name is Mary. I'm from Schenectady, New York. I've been a raging feminist

0:12.5

since 65 years old since I was about four years old when I could not understand why my

0:17.9

brothers were allowed to go shirtless in the summer and I was not. I went on. I raised

0:24.3

to really, really strong feminist women and as I get older I become more of a feminist.

0:31.4

Feminist. A person who believes in the social, political and economic equality of the sexes.

0:37.6

I'm really not a feminist. I'm an individualist, I believe.

0:40.5

Restructure society to make equality really possible that I think the war between the sexes

0:45.2

will end together. We're showing young women that being pro-life is in keeping with the

0:49.5

best traditions of the woman's movement and the human rights are women's rights and women's

0:55.8

rights are human rights once and for all. It's the argument. I'm Jane Kostin and this

1:05.5

is a three-part series on where feminism goes next. The feminist movement feels like it's

1:13.0

at an important inflection point right now. Post-Trump, in a pandemic and with abortion

1:19.0

rights for many newly rolled back, some feminists are asking hard questions. Like, are we

1:24.5

even united anymore? Who's being left out? And what do we want?

1:30.5

So for today's episode, two people who have helped shape how we think about feminism

1:34.4

today are with me.

1:37.2

First Anne Ray Slotter. In 2012, she wrote a big Atlantic magazine piece. You might remember

1:43.3

the piece or you might remember the cover. The toddler and a leather briefcase held up by

1:48.0

a faceless, we assume mother, and a pencil skirt and pantyhunts. Next to the baby is the

1:54.2

all-caps headline why women still can't have it all.

1:59.1

Anne Marie wrote about why she stepped down from her dream job in the State Department under

2:02.8

Hillary Clinton and the picture, the title, the essay, about the tension between family

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