This is CBS. I am the world. I'm John Bachelor. Two years later, the retreat withdrawal

abandonment of Afghanistan weighs upon the subcontinent, weighs upon governance around

the world. I see routinely now no longer do it, do it, do it, the analysts use a Vietnamis

as an example of what can happen when America commits itself to a war that it cannot win.

I see Afghanistan increasingly replacing, of course, that's the memory of the 21st century

not the 20th. I welcome Bill Rojo, Senior Fellow for the Foundation for the Defense of

Democracy, who keeps the long-war journal with his colleagues, and also Ambassador Hasein

Hakanik, former ambassador from Pakistan to the United States, because the situation in

Afghanistan illustrates the situation in Pakistan, and Pakistan is a major piece of

peace or war in the subcontinent. Bill, I begin with you in your excellent piece of these

last days, entitled Two Years After, Two Years After, US withdrawal, iron-fisted grip on

Afghanistan by the Taliban. How does it appear, Bill, from the outside? How can you tell

what they're doing, given that their governance is entirely non-transparent? Good evening,

to you. Good evening, John. Yeah, that's an excellent point. I mean, it's getting harder

and harder to determine what is happening in Afghanistan, but I could, you know, we could

surmise that none of it is good. The Taliban has consolidated its control over the country.

There is nominal resistance to it. The national resistance front, which tried to oppose

the Taliban, since it's takeover, and up through last summer has been, you know, tried

to secure some territory, has been driven to be an underground guerrilla movement that

is really having no impact on Taliban rule. The Islamic State can occasionally conduct

the terrorist attack, but it's no real threat, at least in this short, to medium term.

And, you know, the Taliban is, you know, it's unlike pre-9-11, where you had a Northern

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