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Against Everyone with Conner Habib

AEWCH 315: J.F. Martel / Only Art Can Save Us Now

Against Everyone with Conner Habib

Against Everyone With Conner Habib

Religion & Spirituality, Spirituality

4.8699 Ratings

🗓️ 4 February 2026

⏱️ 125 minutes

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Summary

I talk with author, teacher, and cohost of Weird Studies, J.F. Martel about how art is the only way out of our predicament.

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0:00.0

Hi, this is against everyone with Connor Habib.

0:03.8

Friends, the question that I keep hearing is, what is to be done?

0:09.0

That old political economy question that comes up whenever we find ourselves in

0:15.8

desperate predicaments, like the ones that we are either involved in or bearing witness to all over the world today.

0:24.3

And the truth is, in answer to this question, there is nothing to be done about the situation.

0:30.6

Not directly. Instead, we need to access a strength, a force, which is, in fact, a saving force.

0:41.8

In a time when we are confronted with cruelty and destruction for destruction's sake,

0:48.0

we need to create for creation's sake.

0:52.0

The counteracting force for this cruelty and destruction is not the

0:56.5

stopgap of resistance, however necessary that may be, but the creation of good. In other words,

1:04.2

art, the force that is always offering us the possibility of something totally new springing into existence.

1:15.4

People tend to think of art as either something that helps or abuts business, or as a hobby,

1:24.3

or as an ornament to the political realm, the realm which people mostly consider real

1:29.7

these days. But art isn't any of that. Art isn't even a product. Art, the word comes from the root,

1:39.5

which means fit together. What is being fitted together? It is the spiritual world and the apparent world.

1:47.9

Art is the skill of joining together the realm of the angels and the realm of incarnation.

1:54.5

Actually, I'll say it's something more than a skill. It is a force. What I mean is that when we create art,

2:02.0

we alter our consciousness so that we are in touch with the spiritual realm,

2:06.9

the realm of metaphors and images,

2:10.6

of crazy movements, wild colors,

2:14.5

different forms of time, new words, new sounds. And we grab it, we grab something from

2:21.8

that realm of total potentiality and we pull it into the physical. We limit it. We kill it by

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