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Against Everyone with Conner Habib

AEWCH 256: SARAH SCHULMAN on HOW DO VISION AND ACTION FIT TOGETHER IN ORGANIZING AND ART?

Against Everyone with Conner Habib

Against Everyone With Conner Habib

Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality

4.8679 Ratings

🗓️ 21 March 2024

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

I talk with novelist, essayist, playwright, and organizer Sarah Schulman about bringing utopianism and reform together in the political and cultural realms.

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0:00.0

Hello, friends. This is Against Everyone with Connor Habib. Before I start this episode with

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Sarah Schulman, the novelist, essayist, playwright, advisory board member of Jewish Voice for Peace,

0:11.9

and really, actually, the list goes on. I want to go back to a quote that I brought to the show

0:19.2

way back years ago on the very first episode.

0:22.5

It's still important today, and it's from the Christian writer and philosopher G. K. Chesterton.

0:29.6

Here it is. When the businessman rebukes the idealism of his office boy, it is commonly in some

0:36.7

such speech as this. Ah yes, when one is young,

0:41.1

one has these ideals in the abstract and these castles in the air, but in middle age they all

0:46.9

break up like clouds, and one comes down to a belief in practical politics, to using the

0:52.7

machinery one has and getting on with the world as it is.

0:56.5

But since then, I have grown up and have discovered that these philanthropic old men were telling

1:03.2

lies. What has really happened is exactly the opposite of what they said would happen.

1:10.0

They said that I should lose my ideals and begin to

1:13.6

believe in the methods of practical politicians. Now, I have not lost my ideals in the least. My faith

1:20.8

in fundamentals is exactly what it always was. What I have lost is my old childlike faith in practical politics. I am still as

1:30.1

much concerned as ever about the Battle of Armageddon, but I am not so much concerned about

1:35.9

the general election. The vision is always solid and reliable. The vision is always a fact.

1:44.0

It is the reality that is often a fraud.

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Friends, right now, the state's refusal, and that is many states, to mediate in terms of

1:57.3

Palestinian liberation in the face of a crisis of violence against Palestinians, especially

2:03.8

in Gaza, has amplified both the need for the vision and practical action and has amplified

2:14.6

our visions and practical actions around the crisis.

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