Hi, this is against everyone with Connor Habib, a weekly podcast featuring my conversations with countercultural figures and presenting complex, philosophical, spiritual, and political ideas in an engaging and accessible way.

Well, friends, let me start with a quote from the French philosopher and psychoanalyst Jacques Lacan who said,

there is no other good than the one that can pay the price of the access to desire.

There is no other good than the one that can pay the price of the access to desire.

There's a lot about this statement, which is like a lot of what Lecon said, a bit of a

riddle. But here's some of that, paying the price of access. So our desires are not accessible

to us. So we must lose something. We have to give something to meet them, to see them, to talk about

them. This is at, to talk about them.

This is at the core of this episode with Carmen Maria Machado, the author of In the Dreamhouse,

Her Body and Other Parties, and the Low Low Woods.

We talk about the access, the price, the desire itself, and more.

I think what's really interesting to both of us, and this comes up quite a bit, is how desire functions.

How is it somehow always ahead of us?

It seems to appear and disappear in our lives, like a friend or an enemy on the path in a fairy tale.

Sometimes it shows up and it gives something to us that's useful later on,

like a key or a sacred object or a stone that you need to solve a puzzle or a weapon.

Sometimes it gives us a gift that leads us to being stuck.

Like the fairy market where someone accepts the gift of an

apple, you know, from a goblin or some other strange fellow, and eats it, and wakes up a hundred

years later if they wake up at all. Sometimes it tricks us on the way to somewhere, like the wolf.

I think sometimes also it has a strange shape that frightens us.

Why should our desires be like this?

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