Hi, this is Against Everyone with Connor Habib, a weekly podcast featuring my conversations with

countercultural figures and presenting the intersections of philosophy, politics, and spirituality

and engaging in an accessible way. Well, friends, I sometimes think about the concept of world

change, which is obviously needed right now, of political and economic

change. And I think most the time that we're actually just getting ahead of ourselves

when we even talk about those things. And why? Well, because we haven't even begun to consider ourselves,

to consider what it means to be human,

what thought is, what thinking is, and what consciousness is.

To explain this a little more,

let me put it in the words of the meditation teacher

and philosopher Gior Cullivind.

Now, Cullivind was a teacher and friend of this episode's guest,

the author and therapist Michael Libson.

So this is from Culevin's book, from normal to healthy.

Here then is another experiment.ivin's book, From Normal to Healthy. Here, then, is another experiment.

It should cause you no problem if you're functioning healthily to concentrate on a given theme.

For instance, the necktie you're wearing, for three minutes without wavering.

If you're not wearing one, then just pick any other uninteresting object.

Try it out, three minutes of thinking about the tie and nothing else.

Well now, and how did you end up in Greenland?

So, if we can't hold a single thought about a necktie for three minutes or probably even one minute, let's face it,

how can we create new structures for us to live in and to dissolve the old and cruel structures?

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