Hi, this is against everyone with Connor Abeeb, a weekly podcast featuring my conversations with

countercultural figures and presenting complex, philosophical, spiritual, and political ideas in an engaging

and accessible way. Friends, this is the last podcast that I got to record in person before the

worldwide coronavirus pandemic, if you've heard of that, forced us all inside,

and forced me to record remotely. But it is still about death. But it is about the kinds of deaths

we like engaging with and reading about. That is the deaths in crime and mystery narratives. And I've

been finding that these sorts of deaths, as well as ones in horror narratives, and our vantage

points on them have become more valuable than ever. And they become sustaining in a certain

way because they've given us an opportunity to think about

and engage with death and fear without the attachment to the kind of panic that we might be feeling

about the deaths that are going on in the world right now or that we're, you know, afraid

might happen to us or people we love. To that end, what a great person

to talk to. I can't think of almost anybody better really than best-selling crime writer Liz

Nugent. Liz lives here in Dublin. She's the author of four fantastic crime novels. The first one I read

was Lion in Wait. It's a tense and tragic thriller. It evokes Patricia Highsmith, who I love,

and the films of Rainer Verner-Fosbender, who I also love. But it has a gesture and style all its own. And then I consumed the other three

as quickly as I could. I wanted to inhale them, and that includes her latest, Our Little Cruelties.

For some information on how to get those books, links to the audio versions, as well as all the people

that we talk about in the show, because we do talk about quite a bit of other writers and artists,

go to patreon.com forward slash Connor Habib for the show notes, and that's available to everybody, patreon.com forward slash Connor Habib.

On this episode, we talk about death and murder, of course.

But we also talk about who we view as bad guys and how we form our hopes for justice around

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