Adult Education: How To Healthy Hustle

Whine Down with Jana Kramer

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4.6 • 8.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2026

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

It’s good to have goals and work toward achieving them, but how do you know you’re being true to yourself? Jess Ekstrom joins Jana and Kristen to share some tips on how to positively reframe your mind when it comes to motivation and ambition.

Jess conducts a “purpose” test to find the true reason we chase our goals. Are they rooted in a personal passion? Or are we chasing external validation?

Plus, Jess helps clear up the illusion of dopamine, and why the journey to a goal is often a greater reward the finish line.

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0:00.0	This is an I-Heart podcast.
0:02.5	Guaranteed Human.
0:06.1	Wind Down with Janet Kramer, an IHeartRadio podcast.
0:11.3	This week's A.E., we've got Jess Ekstrom on.
0:14.6	She's got a book called Making It Without Losing It.
0:16.7	KB., I feel like, I mean, I'm in opposite day.
0:21.3	Yeah.
0:22.5	Yeah.
0:23.6	Let's get her on.
0:25.0	Jess.
0:26.3	Hi, Jess.
0:27.3	Hello.
0:28.0	So good to meet y'all.
0:29.5	Great to meet you.
0:31.1	And we're just going to jump right into it.
0:32.9	Just come cozy up on our couch, girl.
0:35.7	I know.
0:36.3	Scoot over.
0:37.2	Here we go. I just love the title,
0:39.3	making it without losing it. Like, we're all losing it, so. Well, I just really relate to that.
0:47.3	Like, I relate to the losing it. I think it's reverse order for me. I know. Losing it without
0:52.2	making it feels more appropriate for my current era, Jess.
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