So we have here, Kelsey.

Thank you for coming on Kate and Ty, break it down.

You are the author of Adoption Unfiltered.

Well, one of the authors, I should say.

And we are just so happy that you made this work and the timing I know wasn't the best,

but I'm so glad that you're here in doing this. It's great. Yeah, I'm so excited to be here. So,

yeah. Well, I wanted to first say that when our adoption got closed, adoption unfiltered was the first

book that I do audiobooks. So it was the first book that I ever

listened to after that happened. And it literally helped me so much. I loved listening to all sides of it.

You know, and I remember I was driving home in the car one day and i was texting tyler like

talk texting to him and i was like i feel so bad for what we not knowingly put carly through

as like a child and an infant we you know when the book talks about just like the preverbal traumas and the how

the cortisol levels rise in the babies and all of those things. Like I was just blown away.

And I think it's just very eye-opening. I love how it talks about all sides of adoption.

And yeah, I just I really, really loved listening to this book because it just

educated me on so many different levels. Well, I think the reason why it's so important, too,

is because, you know, there's three authors. We have a birth mom. We have an adoptee. We have an

adoptive parent. So I feel like it's the book does a good job of just making sure all those bases are covered

and not one side is kind of like left out.

But I will say I feel like some of the stuff in the book was hard as birth parents to hear,

especially when we didn't know about any of this stuff.

And we almost had to kind of break through our own like birth

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