Welcome back to the art of accomplishment, where we explore how deepening connection with ourselves and others leads to creating the life we want with enjoyment and ease.

I am Brett Kisler, and this is Joe Hudson.

Hey, everybody.

How's your week going today?

How's your week going to week this week?

To week.

It's going. It's full and busy. And I had this week,

I had this very interesting conversation with somebody and we were taking a walk together.

And he started telling me the story of where his marriage was at.

And it's the same story that I think I've heard a lot.

Like the players are different.

But it's basically, hey, we got married.

It was really great.

We were happy.

And over time, there's like this kind of built up resentment.

There's this like walking on eggshells,

there is this like, we're not like entirely happy with one another, that whole thing.

And sometimes I hear that story in marriages, sometimes I hear this story between founders,

sometimes I hear the story inside of a job. And to me, usually there's a couple of key words in this that are,

that will point me to the idea that this is all created by conflict avoidance.

And that's what this conversation I was having was, it was like, oh, this is all about conflict avoidance. And that's what this conversation I was having was like, oh, this is all about conflict

avoidance. And so we started talking about it. It was really useful for him. And then he said,

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