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I have brought Karem he jazzy into eo fire studios. Karem is a spy turns by hunter turned serial cyber security entrepreneur turn podcast creator and host.

In today's financial talk about his journey which is fascinating. We'll talk about cyber security and how serious of a threat is becoming and more serious every single day.

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Karim say what's up to fire nation and share something that you believe about becoming successful that most people disagree with.

Hey John thanks for having me honestly a pleasure and honor to be here. Great question. The first thing that comes to mind among many is that you do not need to know what you're going to do.

Right off of that and and have a very clear direct path to success and many cases and in fact most cases anyone I've ever talked to.

Including myself took this very windy interesting almost doctor so it's looking tunnel to get to where I got and I had a lot of stops the starts.

I think that the biggest thing here is understanding what you tend to have an itch for is it got to be a passion that you just can't seem to get enough of.

Like we're talking before the show started cyber security in this particular area of cyber security I'm involved in really had me captured early on and the intelligence gathering component of it was very very appealing and a learning to me and that kept me going through the tough times but.

And I did a variety of iterative things until I got here but they all led to this point so I think that I would never have been able to figure it out when I started but here I am so it's a testament to that fact so I'm not going to lie your bio is one of the most fascinating that I've seen over 37 hundred episodes that I've done and of course fire nation heard that during the introduction I mean a spy turns spy hunter turns cereal cyber security entrepreneur share this journey.

It's a really incredible one again per the last question you asked in the entry gave I would never in a million years of guest I would be here today but I started in the world of essentially corporate intelligence and more specifically it does dovetail into things that sound more.

And I was working overseas working on behalf of us companies to help them win deals and bids and what that required was for me to get information for them so they could make good decisions and essentially win in a very competitive environment.

And that quickly and rapidly moved into the world of me helping the same customers that I was servicing to get intelligence for helping them defend themselves against guys just like me because they were then suffering from losses based on peers that I had on the other side working for the competitors.

So I said look who better to hire than someone like me to tell you exactly what I would do and I started building countermeasures for them I help them understand what vectors that the adversaries might use to come in and get the intelligence they have that they need to protect.

And that over the years so this is sort of the late late 90s early 2000s it shifted heavily into the computer realm and that is how I ended up in cyber because frankly most information especially today is sitting either latently as in in a non-movable state or transiting in some way electronically right so everything has moved in that world.

And I was just perfectly poised in terms of the strategies these bad guys would use it only just got faster with computers so my experience went itself well to that and yeah it's been a ride ever since and I continue to do it today.

Well I think everybody listening knows that cyber security is a serious threat but what they might not know is becoming more serious every day like on an exponential level.

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