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the Hello and welcome to another episode of Politics Theory Other, a podcast from Tribune magazine.

My name is Alex Doherty and my guest today is Adam Too's. We talked about his new book,

Shutdown, How COVID Shook the World's Economy. We talked about the problems and pitfalls of

writing instant history, why shutdown is a more useful way of thinking about how governments

and ordinary people responded to the COVID-19 crisis than the more commonplace term of lockdown.

And finally, we chatted about why China's

radical efforts to suppress the virus in Wuhan, Hube province and beyond, was not as typical

of the regime as is commonly supposed. Today's show is brought to you by PTO's supporters on

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And now to today's interview. Adam Toos is Professor of History at Columbia University and the

director of their European Institute. His books include, Crash, How a Decade of Financial

Crisis Changed the World, and The Wages of Destruction, the making and breaking of the Nazi economy.

His writing has appeared in Foreign Affairs, the Financial Times, the Guardian, the New Left

Review, and the London Review of books, amongst many of the publications.

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