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Oh, for the best, expect the worst, oh for the best.

Welcome to the Commentary Magazine Daily Podcast today is Thursday, June 22, 2023. I am John Pudhord. It's the editor of Commentary Magazine, which is always executive editor, A. Greenwald, hi A.

John.

Media commentary columnist, Christine Rosen, hi Christine.

Hi John.

Matt Condetti is out today joining us Commentary Magazine contributing editor host of the Reeducation Podcast Eli Lake.

Thank you so much for having me again.

I'm here on SP and Oz act Island.

Eli, one of your main two of your main obsession topics, dovetailed yesterday.

Special prosecutor, John Durham, it's John, right?

Yeah.

Okay, John Durham testified before the House explaining the ins and outs of his report on the role of Hillary Clinton and the Clinton campaign in the propagation of the 2016 narrative relating to Donald Trump and the Russians.

And not at all unrelated, representative Adam Schiff was censured by the House of Representatives last night for promulgating falsehoods relating to the Trump Russia hoax narrative repeatedly and essentially.

So back me up here or elaborate on this for going on TV in particular and claiming to have seen intelligence information and have received private information about how.

Special prosecutor Mueller had had Trump dead to rights that the more than circumstantial evidence more than circumstantial evidence that would prove that that the Trump campaign.

Colluded with Russia and the Trump selection was therefore illegitimate and as we know now, Schiff was like making it all up out of whole cloth.

So Durham, Schiff, what does this tell you?

Well, I mean, the truly devastating thing for Schiff occurred in 2020 when the Trump administration partly under like the brief tenure of Rick Grinnell when he was the interim director of natural intelligence declassified lots of things that were retrograde.

Related, which were revelatory and one of the things was this push to declassify the closed testimony before Schiff's committee, the House Intelligence Committee.

And what you found when they did that and it was, you know, I think thousands of pages of testimony because it was like everything was that behind closed doors.

All of the intelligence leaders of the Obama administration said they had no evidence whatsoever of any kind of plot to back up what was alleged in the sealed dossier something by the way that Adam Schiff read into the congressional record and treated as if it was true.

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