Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread.

Today, I'm joined by a very special guest, the one and only psychiatrist Phil Stutz.

We wrote a book together called True and False Magic.

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Thank you. Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread.

On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here.

My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all collectively learn and grow. Here's a bit from Phil.

The human being is the most giving self-sacrifice and loving entity, and also was the most devious, amor, vicious, and murderous is the bad word.

I met Phil years and years and years ago, although he probably would not remember.

He was part of an event that I put on, and I got to witness him and Barry Michaels.

He was a therapist and Phil's lifelong collaborator. They wrote the tools and coming alive together.

And at this event, they did a live session. They just invited someone up from the audience and worked

with her. And it was stunning. I'll never forget it. I think many of us, generally in the

culture, are aware of Phil's uncanny brilliance and his ability to take what feels like deeply

spiritual, heady concepts, and ground them in actionable tools to help people really get

momentum in their own lives. He has been known for decades all throughout Los Angeles and Hollywood as the person who

could transform the lives of screenwriters who were stuck with writers' block, his work

with mega mega industry leaders, politicians, what have you.

And what has made him notable is that his brand as a psychiatrist is anything but what you would normally expect from a psychiatrist.

Now we have legions of life coaches and other modalities where people really get in there with people and help them problem solve.

But when Phil started working, he's in the 70s now, that didn't exist.

And he, in many ways, created an entire field. That's very Phil. He just

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