Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread.

Today's episode is just me.

I'm going to talk a bit more about Part X or finding my shadow in this stage of life,

as well as a few other helpful tools for thinking about navigating reality. Hi, it's Elise Loonen, host of pulling the thread.

On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live

to understand who we are and why we're here. My hope is that these conversations spark moments

of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all collectively learn and grow.

So for those of you who listened last week to my episode with Phil Stutz,

you would have heard him tell me that I need to be 10% more evil. Now, Phil has said variations

of this to me as we've worked on this book and he's told me that I need to become more famous.

He's told me that I need to be a bigger name dropper.

He's told me that I need to definitely brag.

And every time he tells me this, I laugh, obviously.

And then I think about it because it makes me so uncomfortable that I recognize there's something there for me. So for those who didn't listen to last week's episode and don't know who Phil Stutz is very briefly, Phil is a psychiatrist. He's the co-author of The Tools and Coming Alive, which he wrote with Barry Michaels, who's another incredible therapist. And Phil is the

subject of a Netflix documentary called Stutz. What makes Phil remarkable in my mind is that in some ways, he's in his mid-70s now, he has Parkinson's, bad Parkinson's, which makes it difficult for him to sit and pound out work the way he might have earlier in his career, which is how I came to work with him on true and false

magic, which comes out tomorrow. And we did this book together, and it's interesting. I'm

usually buried in the acknowledgments, if at all. I don't really care about being acknowledged because, well,

for a number of reasons. If I'm doing a memoir, it's someone's story. It's really not mine.

There's typically no ego involvement for me when I'm structuring someone else's work.

This book was different. And when Phil said he wanted to give me a co-author credit, I was very

touched and moved. And it's interesting. I've only, this is the second time I've worked with a

man. I wrote a book with a man. The book was never published. But this is the first time I've

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