If you're the liberal bubble surrounded by, you know, very, very right-wing people,

you kind of think of yourself as special.

The transgender movement and its ideology, it's anti-feminist,

and it's also intellectually incoherent.

I've been denounced more times than I can count,

but I've never had anyone actually engage my argument.

Hello, I'm Julie Bindle, and this is Action Men,

a series in which I have interesting conversations

with men that actually get up off their backsides

and contribute to the work that feminists are doing

to prevent rape, domestic violence and challenge pornography and the sex trade.

Today I'm going to talk with Robert Jensen, Bob.

And I first met Bob in 2006 at an anti-pornography conference organized by a mutual feminist friend in Boston,

where Bob was speaking about pornography, its harms to women, and how men has an obligation

to recognize the sexual exploitation inherent in pornography, and to stop consuming it.

Now, Bob, if I may call you, Bob.

Informal is always better, absolutely.

Perfect.

Well, we're all friends and we've known each other for a long time.

But I do want to ask you this question.

When you talk about radical feminism for men, is that not a bit like turkeys for Thanksgiving?

I mean, why? Why would you put yourself out to embrace a movement that is absolutely against your freedom to abuse and exploit women?

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