There's eight-year-olds watching porn on mobile phone.

That is their sex education.

The narrative is still too much focused on what women can do,

as if women can prevent men from raping, assaulting, abusing.

No.

Liberals are, in many ways, the enemy of feminism.

Hello, I'm Julie Bindle, and this is Action Men, a series in which I have interesting conversations

with men that actually get up off their backsides and contribute to the work that feminists are doing

to prevent rape, domestic violence and challenge

pornography and the sex trade. Today I'm speaking with Bjorn Sukhtar, who is a campaigner and

an activist against men's violence, and in particular, the porn and sex trade.

Good to talk to you.

And yeah.

Would you tell me something about yourself, who you are, what you do, and how you've got

to be sitting here today talking to me?

So yeah, my name is Bjorn.

I'm one of the co-founders of male allies challenging sexism.

And where to start?

I guess, you know, I was born in the sort of like early 80s in Germany,

West Germany that is in sort of like a, well, fairly working class environment, I guess.

And yeah, you know, there was four of us, my brother, my dad, my mom, but I think it's sort of like quite a liberal upbringing mainly my mum.

My dad wasn't really around, you know, he was, I think the first or like eight, ten years of my life.

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