There is this complete other side to the sex trade that the left is still not looking at.

The business model of a lot of these big porn companies, if you can get a kid's mind between

four and adolescents, you've got a customer for life.

This is how they hook the kids in.

Hello, I'm Julie Bindle, and this is Action Men,

a series in which I have interesting conversations with men

that actually get up off their backsides and contribute to the work that feminists are doing

to prevent rape,

domestic violence and challenge pornography and the sex trade.

My guest for this week is Palma Melissa.

I read an article he'd written where he described prostitution as oppressive and unacceptable.

And for that, he was roundly punished.

Here's Pala.

Pala, it's so good to speak to you.

It's been a long time since we last had a conversation.

And I just love you to tell everyone who you are and how you got to where you are today. Well, I'm from Vanuatu. I've lived in

New Zealand for most of my life. I did my PhD in accounting for sustainable development.

And then in 2018, I ended up retraining in body mind therapy, psychosomatics.

And, you know, Julie, we talk about the importance of radical honesty in the political realm.

When it comes to dealing with topics like sexual exploitation and discrimination and inequality,

the thing I realized in 2018 was it's in some

ways even more primary to have that honesty in our own personal lives. I mean, really,

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