Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. This is on CBS I in the world. I'm John Bachelor. I'm visiting with Professor

Andy Clark of the University of Sussex. He's a professor of cognitive

philosophy. What is that? The book is The

Experience Machine, how our minds predict and shape reality. I think therefore I am. We

learn that in grade school almost but certainly in college.

And what Andy's work and the work of his colleagues have done these last years,

this is the frontier of thinking about integration, causal loop for our thoughts, our bodies, our environment, our tools.

All of this comes together.

There is a poetic way that Anas Nin puts it once upon a time. We do not see things as they are.

We see things as we are.

Professor, it's poetic, but at the same time it was very convincing to me when I came across

at your part of the book.

Our whole biome participates in our perception, which we can qualify as this wonderful word

qualia. We can also qualify it as emotions. So, and emotions is markers. I hope I've learned correctly, Professor. So what is it that

Annas Nin is telling us? How is it that our bodies participate in our perception of the world?

Yes, I think the lesson that I would take from that is that the predictions that seem to structure the way we experience the world and not just predictions of what's out there like the white deer that you mentioned earlier but predictions of what's going on inside our own body what the current energy needs of our

body are what's the state of our heart

rate what's the sort of what's the state of galvanic skin response right now

so we're busy predicting the external world, but that prediction is constantly

overlaid by these or underpaid, I guess, by these predictions of the internal world.

And I think that means that changing the internal predictions can change what we seem to see and perceive. So there are experiments

that show that if you give someone false cardiac feedback you make them think that their heart is beaten

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