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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

Abraham Lincoln, the First American | Interview: Allen Guelzo

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

News, Politics

4.76.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2026

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Jonah Goldberg, still reeling from the harsh tones and rank punditry of Brother Stirewalt and Eli Lake, has turned to the most euphonious man in podcasting—who conveniently happens to be a Lincoln scholar on the side—to dig deep into the question: Who was Abraham Lincoln? Join Jonah and Allen Guelzo as they dive into Civil War alternative histories, Lincoln’s origins, economic and moral attitudes toward slavery, the Kansas-Nebraska Act, the Lincoln-Douglas debates, Lincoln’s reading, Andrew Jackson, Whigs, 19th-century conservatism, Shakespeare, Burke, Lincoln’s war leadership, and the Declaration of Independence.  Show Notes: —Allen Guelzo’s website —The Golden Thread: A History of the Western Tradition, Volume I: The Ancient World and Christendom —The Golden Thread Substack —Guelzo: The Political Writings of Abraham Lincoln —Previous Allen Guelzo Remnant —Remnant: Edmund Burke Was Not a Romantic | Interview: Yuval Levin —Lincoln’s Cooper Union Address —“Americans and Their Revolution: The First 100 Years – Allen C. Guelzo” The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a nonpartisan perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including the Saturday Ruminant, audio versions of all our articles and newsletters, and Jonah’s twice-weekly G-File—⁠click here⁠. Instructions on how to set up your members-only feed can be found here, and if you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention.

0:18.0

Can you digger?

0:27.5

Greetings, dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media.

0:33.3

Very excited about today's episode.

0:35.0

We've been thinking about doing this for a very long time, wanted to do this.

0:38.5

Every now and then, we take a thinker or historic person.

0:42.7

In this place, I think our guest would say he was both and just ask who they were.

0:48.3

Last time we did this, I think it was Hannah Arend.

0:50.5

Before that, it was Leo Strauss.

0:51.9

And today we're going to ask who was Abraham Lincoln.

0:55.7

And I actually don't think this is an exaggeration. We have the single best living person to answer

1:05.0

that question. I was just going over fan favorite Alan Gelzo, the most euphonious voice in podcasting. I was just going

1:12.9

over his website where the list of books and he is literally by a wide margin written more books

1:22.3

on Abraham Lincoln than I have read about Abraham Lincoln. And the more acclaimed ones are, and most recent is our ancient faith,

1:31.7

Lincoln Democracy in the American Experiment.

1:34.2

There's a book, Redeeming the Great Emancipator, Lincoln An Intimate Portrait,

1:39.7

Gettysburg, The Last Invasion, Fateful Lightning,

1:44.0

a collection of Lincoln speeches.

1:45.8

But I think the one that's most appropriate here is Lincoln, a very short introduction.

1:51.6

So with that, Alan Gelzo was a professor at the University of Florida.

1:55.2

Before that, he was at Princeton, wrote in the many of the things, been here several times,

1:59.6

just concluded a fantastic project

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