Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran trying to make a sample library of your signature beatboxing or else a scrappy upstart using a sample library for your entire debut album to avoid pain musicians.

This is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most and ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

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