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U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Abouammo v. United States

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Oyez

Government & Organizations, National

4.7661 Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2026

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

A case in which the Court will decide whether venue is proper in a district where no offense conduct took place, so long as the statute’s intent element “contemplates” effects that could occur there.

Transcript

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0:00.0

We will hear argument first this morning in case 25-51-46, Abu Amo versus United States.

0:07.2

Mr. Lossitin?

0:08.6

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, the question here is whether Mr. Abu Amo committed

0:13.9

his Section 1519 offense in San Francisco.

0:17.8

In Section 1519, Congress created a broad document integrity offense, distinct from obstruction,

0:23.6

that requires no communication, no obstructive effects, and no investigation.

0:28.6

Under that broad law, Mr. Abu Amo's offense started and ended in a 30-minute window

0:35.6

during which he never left his home in Seattle.

0:38.5

He was guilty, and his offense was complete the moment he finished creating the false

0:43.8

invoice with the requisite intent. Whether he sent it to investigators, whether it affected

0:49.0

them in some way, or whether an investigation even existed at all, none of that is relevant to liability under the statute.

0:56.7

So the government didn't have to charge any of that in the indictment or prove any of it at trial.

1:02.4

But the government now wants to have it both ways.

1:05.1

It says the uncharged, unproven effect of Mr. Aboulam's offense means that he committed it in San Francisco.

1:12.0

That is wrong. From the common law through the founding era and up through this Court's

1:16.9

decisions in Cabrales and Rodriguez-Morano, venue has always turned on the location of the

1:22.2

offense's essential conduct. That is the question that this Court's venue cases all ask, even if not always in so many words.

1:31.1

Here, Section 1519 has one essential conduct element, falsification, and Mr. Abuamo did that entirely in Seattle.

1:39.4

Sending the document to investigators may have been evidence of his intent, but it was not essential for

1:44.7

conviction, so it cannot support venue. In arguing to the contrary, the government relies on

1:50.7

general, out-of-context language from cases addressing very different offenses, and it all but ignores

1:56.4

Johnson, Cabrales, and the ratification era understanding of where similar offenses were committed.

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