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And to help us out some more, share the show with your friends, post about your favorite episodes, pick up copies of health communism, a short history of trans misogyny and abolish rent at your local bookstore, or request them at your local library and follow us at Death Panel underscore. I'm Beatrice Seller Bolton, and I'm honored to be joined today by Andrea Ritchie and Miriam Kaba. Together, they are co-founders of Interrupting Criminalization and they are also the co-authors

of the book No More Police, a case for abolition, published by the new press in 2022.

So first we'll introduce Andrea.

Andrea Ritchie is a writer, organizer, movement lawyer, and researcher who has been documenting,

organizing, advocating, litigating, and

agitating around policing and criminalization of black women, girls, trans, and gender

nonconforming people for over three decades.

She is the author and co-author of several books, including practicing new worlds, abolition

and emergent strategies, Invisible No More, Police Violence Against Black Women and Women of

Color, and say her name, resisting police brutality against Black women, among others.

She has also authored numerous research reports, articles, and opinion pieces on policing,

criminalization, mass incarceration, and immigration enforcement, including a recent one for the

nation that is very relevant to our discussion today,

called abolition is still the only way out of this.

Andrea, welcome to the death panel.

Thanks so much for having me, Beatrice.

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