Long-term stuff, we want to make sure that we aren't at the mercy of this cell phone, this device that takes our attention.

And when it takes our attention, then I'm saying yes to this phone and I'm saying no to Glennon, the human being sitting next to me.

And I think that that will be a big, a huge

deathbed regret of a lot of people over the next 50 years. I think I spent more of the last

20 years of my life on the phone that I did in actual communication and interaction with real

life people. This is The beautiful writers podcast. I'm

Linda Sievertson, your host, and that was Abby Wambach, two-time Olympic gold medalist and

two-time New York Times bestseller. Abby's first book, Forward, was a deeply personal memoir,

and her new book, Wolfpack,

is a rallying cry for letting go of the old rules and changing up the game.

Abby's also known these days for the power of two in another arena, as her very public marriage to author and activist Glennon Doyle has captured the enthusiasm and adoration

of millions of us who follow pretty much their every step on social media.

In the old days, I think they would have called us stalkers.

My guest host for this episode is bestselling author and O Magazine Calmness, Martha Beck,

a great friend of this show and of Abby and Glennon.

You may have heard Martha and I interview Glennon just before Love Warrior came out and exploded

to number one and onto Oprah's book club list.

To hear Abby talk about how that episode helped her fall in love with her future

wife, that was just a total example of you never know who's listening. I love these reminders that

when we do what we love, people often feel that love. This conversation took place just before Abby left for her book tour for Wolfpack,

which was also on the third anniversary of her sobriety. Go Abby. But I've been traveling too,

so I have been aching to have the time to put this together for you guys. Good news, though,

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