Welcome to the Conversations That Matter Podcast. My name is John Harris. We got a special guest today,

the first time flyer on the Conversations That Matter podcast. His name is Aaron Wren and some of you may have heard of him.

He has a podcast called the

Masculanist which is also a newsletter you can sign up for on his website.

He used to do work with urban policy and consultation and now, well I'll let him describe a little bit about what he's up to now with the masculine.

It's welcome, Aaron. Appreciate you coming on.

Thanks for having me on. So tell us a little bit about what can people expect

if they go to the Masculinous.com

and they sign up for your newsletter.

Well, the newsletter is a once a month newsletter,

a long form newsletter that I've been publishing for about four years.

I started it because, well there was a few reasons. One is I really saw a disconnect between the church's persistent failure

to attract men on the one hand,

and yet all these secular men's gurus attracting hordes of young men.

Give me a few names.

Secular guys. Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, all the way down to, originally I was pretty struck with these guys in the

manosphere, say a guy like Mike Cernovich, for example.

Originally Milo Yinopolis was a guy, if you know who he was, that's a blast in the past yeah I mean hundreds of thousands of people were following my myelow

Especially a lot of college kids you know there would be all these different like political rallies during the 2016 election.

And you still can on Gab. You can. Yeah, yeah. No, I didn't know that. And he, you know, I just go up to people on the street, you know, and do young people and just who look like had Trump gear on or whatever.

And I say, do you guys know any of the following people?

And I start off naming names, always they knew who Milo was always so it was one of these things were like

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