Hi, welcome back to Conversations. I'm Bill Crystal. Very pleased to be joined again today by Aaron Reiklin-Milnick, senior fellow with the American Immigration Council,

one of our leading experts on immigration policy advocate.

I think it's fair to say for liberal immigration policies, using that term broadly.

These days, liberal is anything to the left of, I don't know, you know, 1924, right? So it's a very broad, broad universe,

the liberal, more liberal than the Trump administration immigration policies and a lawyer. So you can

explain that side of things too. So thanks for joining me, Aaron. Thank you for having me back.

So what we'll discuss today, I think, is begin with the mass deportation issue,

which is sort of the highest profile side of things and very important side of things.

And then move also as a legal immigration, which has gotten a little less attention,

but pretty dramatic changes there too and then how it all adds up.

But we had a conversation just at the beginning.

I think it was literally two or three days

before the Trump administration began about what they might do. And I think it stands up well,

and you anticipated the, I think that this would be a huge centerpiece of the Trump administration's

agenda and that we should take the best deportation promise or threat seriously. But so thank you. That know, that stands up pretty well, I think,

and what do we now know a year later? Yeah, I think what we talked about back then, again,

has mostly proceeded along the lines of what I discussed. There were a couple of major differences

and things that I either missed or, you know,

anticipated might happen, but we weren't sure about.

And the first big one is resources.

You know, ICE got $75 billion in the one big beautiful bill act.

And I talked a lot in our conversation a year ago about how all of this was going to be very

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