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Hi, it's Chris Dixon. This is the A16Z podcast.

I'm here with Peter Rubin from Wired Magazine, who has spent a lot of time studying virtual

reality and augmented reality.

So we're going to talk about that today, one of my favorite topics.

So, Peter, thanks for being here.

What, let's just, like, the broad landscape, like what's going on now?

So there's obviously Oculus, Microsoft's HoloLens, Magic Leap.

Like, what's your impression of what's happening?

Well, right now it seems like last year and continuing into this year,

it's, what's interesting about it is there have always been kind of these tertiary players in the market

and like smaller companies.

But what's happening now is the Titans are kind of by proxy

drawing these lines in the sand. So Facebook kind of cited with VR for Oculus. Microsoft made it to

bet with augmented reality, and we can talk more about that difference. And then Google went from

kind of one mode of AR thinking with Google Glass to not necessarily scrapping that, but they're rethinking

what they're doing there internally. And instead, you know, last year there was that half a billion

dollars that went to Magic Leap, which is kind of an AR startup based in South Florida. So

we don't know what Amazon is doing. We know that Apple is filing some patents and hiring VR engineers. So there's

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