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We are sitting here in the offices of Pinterest in San Francisco, sitting next to a car where

there's two computer monitors attached to it somehow.

So we're happy to be here at Pinterest.

And I'm here with Tracy Chow, who's a software engineer at Pinterest, not surprisingly.

Jamie Brandon, software engineer at Eve, and Chris Granger, another engineer and founder of Eve.

Today's topic we want to get into, since we have all these software engineers in the room, is coding and coding as literacy.

And to what extent we think that software and coding needs to be a part of everyone's lives.

And if it does, then how it does.

So Tracy, let's start with you because, as it turns out, you come from a family of software

engineers. And there's not just one. There's four of you. Am I correct? Correct. Both of my parents

are software engineers. I'm a software engineer and my sister is a software engineer.

So in your lifetime, it sounds to me like, I mean, you're almost a too perfect example, but

how did software play a role in your education and then how did, you know, you're almost a too perfect example, but how did software play a role

in your education and then how did, you know, that sort of take you to where you are now?

Software was actually not a very big part of growing up. So the elementary school that I went

to did make us do some programming classes from very early on, I think, in second or third grade even,

we were programming PC logo to make these little turtles draw stars and houses,

which was pretty cool but was not a consistent theme throughout my elementary, middle, or high school education.

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