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Welcome to the A16Z podcast. I'm Michael Copeland, and we are here at the OCTA World Headquarters

in San Francisco with ACTA CEO, Todd McKinnin. And also joining us from Atlanta is Vijay

Paul Supermanian, CEO of Pindrop. Welcome, both of you. Thank you. Thank you. Great to be here.

You guys might not be familiar, and hopefully you are, with both Pindrop and Octa, but you guys are security-minded companies. Thank you. Great to be here. You guys might not be familiar and hopefully you are with both Pindrop and Octa, but you guys

are security-minded companies.

And you approach things in different ways, honestly.

And so this conversation, we want to focus on the trends you're seeing in security and

and how you guys are addressing them differently for your customers.

And a lot of the focus is on the enterprise.

So let's begin there. But I,

so I want to ask you guys, security seems to be on everyone's mind these days, but is it? And have

people really found sort of God in the wake of some really horrible breaches? Vij, what do

you think about that? All right. So, you know, with a lot really horrible breaches. Vijay, what do you think about that?

Right.

So, you know, with a lot of these breaches, I think fundamentally what comes to the forefront

is the fact that security is a constantly evolving thing, right?

The perimeter is constantly changing.

You had just your data center, now you have the entire cloud

to worry about. You had individual devices that were purely used for personal reasons. Now they're

used for everything other than personal as well. And so the perimeter is constantly changing.

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