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slash disclosures. Welcome to the A16Z podcast. I'm Michael Copeland, and we are continuing our discussion of security,

and we are lucky to have Andrew Rubin, CEO of Alumio and co-founder, and along with Andrew, Goroff Banga,

CEO and co-founder of Bromium. Welcome, guys. Welcome. Thank you so much. We are happy to be here.

Thank you very much. Gorf, to be here. Thank you very much.

Gorf, I read something that you had said or written. The Barbarians are at the gate.

Am I being attacked? Yes, you are. And what Barbarians at the gate means that never before have we had so much online.

We have, quote, and code, computerized our every existence, every aspect of our existence,

how we invest, how we get paid, how we do healthcare, how do we deliver power, everything.

And unfortunately, we have built that on a security platform which is not architecturally sound.

And we're getting attacked every day.

It says that war and crime just came online.

Andrew, how do you view that and how do you or the folks that you talk to kind of internalize the fact that if I have stuff out there that's valuable,

people are going to want to go after it.

So I completely agree with Garv that we're effectively digitizing everything.

And it's literally everything.

It's everything from the way that we bank to the way that we hail a taxi or a car to move

from point A to point B.

So inherently, there's a lot more digital and electronic to protect. I think the aha moment for security, and it's recent,

it's measured probably in months or maybe a year or two, is that this concept of being in a

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