Hi, this is Chris Dixon. This is the A6D Podcast, and today we have Brian McCullough, the author of the recent awesome book, which I just read, called How the Internet Happened from Netscape to the iPhone. Thanks for being here, Brian.

Thanks for having me, Chris.

So I thought it was a really fun book. I guess I had lived through some of it and knew some firsthand and had heard a lot of the stories from some of the principles or sort of secondhand.

I'll say first I really like the book because as far as everything I knew, which I'd say maybe more than half of it or something from first or second hand, it was very accurate.

And so I just appreciate that.

I appreciate you saying that.

And then number two is really entertaining.

It was a great read.

I highly recommend reading it. But then the third thing is, you know, I think it's a great resource, especially for younger people who are interested in technology or I guess, you know, in some ways everyone might be interested in the Internet these days, right? Even if they're not in the technology industry, they probably should be interested in the Internet. I just think it's a great resource to have, you know, kind of this, but may become the canonical kind of history of the Internet for that period. The thesis was two-part.

I'm thinking of non-tech people.

What has been more influential, disruptive, technology has infiltrated every facet of our life.

More clear than ever in the last few years.

I feel like anybody would want to know who did this.

Why did they do it? How did they do it? started to, when I meet with young entrepreneurs and things like that, they'd start to say things

like, oh, wow, you were around for the dot-com stuff. What was that like? So now 10 years on,

if you're 26, you know, the internet has just always been in the ether all around. So if you're

a young entrepreneur entering tech today, I wanted, here is your industry. And not going all the way back to even the PC era. No.

The modern era of web-based startups, especially the modern startups. So the book cover sort of Nescape,

so, 93-ish to, I think, 2007 or so iPhone. I end with the announcement of the first iPhone.

And that's important, I think, even if you aren't someone who's interested in history per se

or whatever, like if you want to understand, I mean, I think I would argue, and I assume

you would agree that if you want to sort of try to predict the future of your industry,

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