Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome, the podcast that speaks with awesome people about awesome topics.

And up next is part two of my conversation with Naomi Alderman, author of The Power, where we explore, what would the world look like if

women had superpowers?

Hmm.

Stay tuned.

My life work is to try to at least explain this and go, we have to be, as people and as women,

we have to be willing to hear about the vulnerability of men or nothing will change.

I think you're absolutely right. You're right.

And if we love them and find them sexy or whatever, even when they're crying, then we're okay.

Then we got somewhere.

And that's the reason that women had to go first somehow in fixing this is because like the definition of women in our society contains within it ideas about being vulnerable and expressing how you've suffered.

But I'm going to swear again, the poor fucking men.

Like they're not allowed to even talk about it.

They just have to sort of hold it all inside and then, you know, occasionally experience

bouts of uncontrollable rage.

And like, let's stop doing that now, please.

Yes.

We've tried it.

The planet is suffering.

The planet is that simple.

I love this.

I love this.

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