Hello and welcome to a world to win a podcast from Tribune magazine. I'm Adele

Walton stepping in for Grace Blakely bringing you your weekly dose of

socialist news theory and action from around the world. Over the next few weeks

I'll be discussing some key issues around international development. This

week I speak to Heidi Chao, Executive Director at Jubilee Debt Campaign, which

works to end poverty, inequality and exploitation caused by unjust debt. Today

Heidi and I discuss the neocolonial nature of debt and how it reproduces

global inequality and poverty. Thank you so much to all our amazing patrons who

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the world as our intro and outro music. And now here is Heidi Chao and why it is so

important for us to unite against debt.

Hello Heidi, thank you so much for joining me on this episode today. How are you?

I'm good thanks. Yeah, it's great to be on your podcast. Thank you so much for

having me. No, thank you. So firstly, I would like to ask you when it comes to

campaigning for social justice, why is it so important that we rally

collectively against debt? Well, the issue of debt has played a role in

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