Hello and welcome to a world to win, a podcast from Tribune magazine. I'm Grace Blakely

bringing you your weekly dose of socialist news, theory and action from around the world.

This week I talk to Harshawaliya, author, writer and organizer, on her book Border and

Rule, Global Migration, Capitalism and the Rise of Racist Nationalism. We discuss the

nature and location of the border, its functionality to global capitalism and imperialism, and how

the left can organize to resist right wing populism in the age of nationalism and climate

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and now here is Harshawaliya on her motivations for writing border and rule.

Hello, Harshawaliya, and thank you so much for joining me on this episode of Well to win,

how are you doing today? Good, thank you, thank you so much for having me.

Not at all, it is a pleasure to have you on the show, and today we're going to discuss your most

recent book, Border and Rule, Global Migration Capitalism and the Rise of Racist Nationalism,

which I think is a really brilliant book that kind of changed the way I think about borders,

and I really recommend that readers buy it, it's out now with Haymarket,

and we'll put a link in the description. So, Harsh, can you tell us a little about why you

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