By the time we got to the edge of a cliff, everyone is feeling some level of fear, and it's completely understandable.

Here it is, fear of annihilation.

Welcome to the art of accomplishment, where we explore how deepening connection with ourselves and others leads to creating the life we want with enjoyment and ease.

I'm Brett Kisler, here today with my co-host, Joe Hudson.

Hey, Brett. Hey, hey. Good to see you. You too. I've been dying to ask you about the retreat that

you put on. And before I began into talking about that, what I want to talk about is that how

important it is for me that this happened because it's the first time

that AOA has has a retreat that is not my brainchild and Tara my brainchild that it's actually

the community is growing and now we have for the first time someone else putting out a retreat

and and I know it went

well because I've heard a lot of stuff but I want to I want to have a conversation with you and talk

to you about it and see how it was for you. But before before I even ask my first question,

give everybody context. What the hell just happened? Yeah. So I put on a retreat called

welcoming fear. And the idea for this retreat was that it would take the kind of work that we've done

in AOA, but kind of bring it out into nature, into the wilderness and into very present

physically embodied experiences with fear.

And the idea is that it's an invitation for people to really sensuously sit with

and enjoy and just notice and learn about the way that their body and their emotional

system and their mind process fear.

So it wasn't as much of a goal-oriented thing as like,

you're going to come and jump off of a cliff, like some kind of bungee sort of operation.

It was something that was far more slow and deliberate. And so it wasn't just jumping off

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