I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about reality dating shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

I'm the girl from the stock trop, love and fire. Can you keep up? I like love.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about all the petty Bachelor Nation gossip we can handle in one sitting.

I mean, my lord, the gossip is really heating up for the summer. Plus, we're going to talk about a new campaign, roses for everybody, which is calling on the Bachelor to cast fat people on the show.

And to portray them as whole, complex people who are desirable and deserving of romance, you know, like human beings.

Yeah. Here to discuss the roses for everybody campaign and gossip with us, of course, is Jenna Vasperco, host of the day card podcast. Welcome Jenna.

Hi. This is such a long time coming. I know we're so happy to have you. Thank you for doing that.

I'm like literally trying not to cry right now. I love y'all. Thank you so much for having me.

Yeah, I just feel like, oh, get my feelings out of the way so I can be normal human for a summer.

We love. We love feeling.

I've been listening to y'all since the absolute beginning and have just loved the podcast.

And it sounds so cheesy, but you're like literally part of the reason why I started date card pod four years ago and then met up with my friend, Danica, we cohosted together.

But like, I just loved, I've been a viewer of the bachelor since like 2012, the first pilot Jake.

We should have never cast a male pilot.

And then, you know, I loved that you guys could just have, you know, feminist takes and be critical, but also clearly enjoy the show, which is how I feel and M.

So I was like, I can start a podcast too. Why the fuck not? Right?

That honestly, that is like, I'm so honored to think that we might have played any role in inspiring all of the great like bachelor podcasts that have proliferated because like your show is so great.

And we just want to be part of that ecosystem.

Yeah, exactly. It's like, honestly, we've been so cool to watch the space, like grow and expand so much since we started and see like, just like so many interesting nuance perspectives and people coming at it from like different angles.

And like, I have frankly learned so much from yours and just like the whole, the whole little like larger bachelor pod community that we have.

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