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Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day

and the stuff that's even more important than politics too. And on a day when half of us are waiting to see what Donald Trump

says about trade and the rest are waiting to see what comes out of the Vatican's chimneys

joining me are my two favorite puffs of white smoke with whom I'd love to share a chlorinated chicken

and they are manvin rana hello mann thank for being with us. And Fraser Nelson. Hello, Fraser. Good morning. Good morning.

Manvine, you've just come back from the United States.

I have.

Nice place?

I mean, it's an interesting place.

Still a fan?

I was in California, which basically everyone you meet makes a point of telling you it's a Democrat state.

It's a very different place to the rest of America. I was actually at Stanford with a lot of, um, a lot of the

sort of big thinkers at the Hoover Institute, who are all trying to make sense of Trump. And it was

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