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Foreign Policy Live

A U.S. Shutdown and a Constitutional Crisis

Foreign Policy Live

Foreign Policy

News Commentary, News, Politics

4.1622 Ratings

🗓️ 3 October 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

With increased polarization and ongoing budgetary disputes, the U.S. government does not seem to be acting in the way that the American forefathers intended. Host Ravi Agrawal brings on historian Jill Lepore to share more. Lepore is a professor at Harvard University and the author of We the People: A History of the U.S. Constitution. Plus, One Thing from Ravi on the U.S. government shutdown. Rishi Iyengar: How a U.S. Government Shutdown Could Impact Washington’s Foreign Policy John Haltiwanger: Why America’s ‘Unusual’ Democracy Leads to Shutdown Andrew O’Donohue: The U.S. Judicial Crisis Is Uniquely Dangerous Stan Veuger: Americans Need to Acknowledge Their Unwritten Constitution Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.

0:04.1

Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?

0:10.7

Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.

0:14.6

From prologue projects and Pushkin Industries, this is fiasco, Benghazi.

0:20.1

What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, that's right. Lock her up.

0:26.0

Listen to Fiasco, Bengh, wherever you get your podcasts.

0:31.4

Hi, I'm Ravi Agrawal, Foreign Policies Editor-in-Chief. This is FP Live.

0:44.4

Is the United States facing a constitutional crisis?

0:48.0

This is a question that gets asked a lot these days.

0:50.4

Well, I have a related question.

0:53.9

Is the Constitution a living, evolving document? Or is it set in stone? My guest this week

0:57.4

makes the case for a dynamic constitution, but says political polarization has all but killed the

1:04.6

chance for amendments. That is coming up, but first, here's one thing.

1:16.3

The U.S. federal government shut down on Wednesday for the first time in seven years.

1:22.6

This is going to have a range of domestic ripple effects, and a lot of analysts have covered that,

1:25.9

so I'm more focused on the geopolitical impacts.

1:30.1

First off, there is the staffing issue. The Pentagon is suspending more than 300,000 employees. The State Department is furlowing more than 10,000

1:37.6

staffers, and more than 2 million active duty military staff will work without pay until the shutdown ends. Some of these staff

1:46.7

may never come back. President Trump has called it an unprecedented opportunity to make deep cuts.

1:53.9

Second, there's the question of whether another country or a non-state actor will take advantage

1:59.9

of this moment. Amid all the confusion of the shutdown,

2:03.6

is America prepared for a cyber attack, for other kinds of threats, for possible defections

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