Dr Craig, we have not had a chance to talk about Dr. Giesler who passed away back in the summer of 2019. There have been so many people who have been

touched by him, his apologetics work, his philosophy work, and I know that you've

written some things about him on Facebook. You did a tribute to him, very kind.

Because you were his student, thought that maybe you could talk a little bit more about. Storm and Norman. That's a good nickname for him. He loved fight and he was zealous for orthodoxy.

I first encountered Norman Geisler when I was on the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ right out of

college graduated from Wheaton and I was assigned to Northern Illinois

University and the Interverity chapter had brought him over from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School

to speak on the problem of evil and suffering.

At that time he had a dark brown beard and he gave a

lecture that evening and I thought it was just remarkable. I had never heard so logical and clear a discussion of the problem of evil before.

And I learned that evening that he was the head of a program at Trinity in philosophy of religion,

offering a master of arts degree.

Well, that really interested me because Kevin I had

wanted to go to seminary. I knew I was on my way to seminary, but I also

knew I didn't feel called to the pastorate.

So I didn't want to have to take all of the professional ministerial courses

that are connected with a Master of Divinity degree.

And so the MA degree in philosophy of religion

seemed to be tailor-made for me. I could do my core courses in philosophy of religion

and then use my electives to get Greek and Hebrew

and systematic theology and so it was a perfect degree set up for me. So over the

next year I prepared for the graduate record exam in philosophy

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