Welcome to the Strong Women Podcast, where each week we explore a deeper understanding of the humanity, value, intellect, and creativity of women.

I'm Erin Kunkel.

And I'm Sarah Stone Street. We're so glad you're here.

Well, welcome back to the Strong Women podcast. Today, Sarah and I are reflecting on our great conversation with Nancy Guthrie.

Now, this was another conversation we got to do in person, which is a treat for us instead of over the computer screen like we normally record and the live audience, which is so fun

to just have other people in the room who are laughing and crying with us with Nancy. There

were some moments of for sure tears, of course, because she talked about losing two of her children and the struggle and pain

involved with that. So it was such a rich conversation about just the realities of life, this

side of heaven, and the suffering and struggles that come with this life.

Of course, the suffering she's endured is some of the worst suffering.

I think anyone would have to endure, and that's losing your own children.

So it was such a great conversation.

Nancy's a deep, thoughtful woman of Christ.

So just to hear her thoughts and reflections on that.

And of course, to read her book, which Sarah and I did, holding on to hope.

One of her mini books.

She has a lot.

One of her mini books, yes, which I loved the book and have thought about so many of the quotes from her book since I read it and it's become a part of

many conversations I've had since reading it too. So we thought we would talk about this idea that Nancy talked about, and really

it's developing a theology of suffering and of struggle, and that might sound strange to

modern years, but having a proper perspective of suffering is important because struggle and

suffering, as Nancy reminded us, are a part of everyone's life. There is the promise in

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