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Deadline: White House

“A tangled web”

Deadline: White House

MSNBC

News, Donald Trump, Daily News, The White House, Nicolle Wallace, Politics, Nbc News, Washington Dc, Msnbc, Government

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 21 May 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace on Trump’s peddling of false “white genocide” claims in an Oval Office meeting with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa, an administration official’s effort to rewrite intelligence, and the Justice Department’s investigation into Andrew Cuomo. Joined by: Michael Crowley, Eddie Glaude, Rick Stengel, Mike Schmidt, Rep. Jim Himes, Andrew Weissmann, John Heilemann, Basil Smikle, Lisa Rubin, Justin Wolfers, and Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hi there, everybody. It's four o'clock in New York. Another day for the history books today from Donald J. Trump, an astonishing display from him in the White House. Today, Donald Trump, meeting with the president of South Africa and attempting to ambush and

0:23.0

humiliate that leader inside the Oval Office. But what he did instead was embarrass and humiliate

0:29.4

the people of the United States of America. Again, in his meeting with President Ramaphosa,

0:35.2

Trump peddled unsubstantiated claims of genocide in South

0:39.3

Africa, of white South Africans, a group that ruled during apartheid in South Africa. It is a fringe

0:46.4

conspiracy theory pushed by the likes of Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, and David Duke, the former

0:52.8

Grand Wizard of the KKK.

0:56.0

We take from many at many locations if we feel there's persecution or genocide going on.

1:03.8

And we had a lot of people, I must tell you, Mr. President, we have had a tremendous number of people,

1:10.4

especially since they've

1:11.6

seen this. Generally, they're white farmers and they're fleeing South Africa, and it's a, you know,

1:18.6

it's a very sad thing to see. But I hope we can have an explanation of that. It'll be the end of the

1:24.7

country.

1:34.0

So next Trump asked his staff to dim the lights and roll in a television.

1:39.3

Once the lights were dimmed and the television was there, they played a video that Trump claimed showed evidence of genocide against white farmers.

1:43.5

Here's the reality, as reported by the New York

1:45.8

Times, quote, there have been killings of white South Africans, but police statistics show they

1:51.1

are not killed at a higher rate than other South Africans. And while the South African government

1:55.9

did pass a law permitting the government to take land without compensation, the process is subject

2:01.7

to judicial review. President Ramaphosa did his part to fact check Donald Trump in real time.

2:08.5

He added that he didn't even recognize some of the locations in the video.

2:12.2

Here's what he had to say.

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