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🗓️ 25 September 2025
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Matt and Chris once again take up their oars and plunge deeper into the recursive whirlpools of contemporary sensemaking. Picking up where Part 1 left off, having grappled with conscience, touchstones, hierarchies, and normativity, we return to the sensemaking labyrinth to see just how many more words and concepts the combined powers of Peterson, Vervaeke, and Hall can stretch to breaking point.
This second leg of the voyage allows us to chart more of the universal sensemaking grammar, with its biblical scaffolding, liberal use of metaphors, and frequent exhortations to ascend Jacob’s ladder. But alongside Peterson's predictable biblical musings, you can also thrill at unexpected treats like John Vervaeke unveiling how finite transcendence connects to inexhaustible intelligibility and Jordan Hall explaining that even silence can be a form of sensemaking.
Expect symbolic snakes, dangling ropes, and ecological psychology refashioned for mystical ascent, Augustine rediscovered through Plato, and culture reframed as an alcoholic parent. Or if you prefer, enjoy detours into atheists and their Luciferian egos, the sacred role of play, and the profound revelations that can be drawn from childhood disappointments at McDonald’s and grandfathers complaining about Nixonian duplicity
So join us for the final leg of the Sensemaking Odyssey. Sharpen your mind, get ready to traverse through 3D space, and prepare for an encounter with the Logos... in the context of listening to a podcast.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Hello, welcome back to the coding and gurus the podcast. |
| 0:28.0 | We're an anthropologist and psychologist. |
| 0:29.8 | This is the greatest wines of the world. |
| 0:31.4 | Has to offer to try to understand what they're talking about. |
| 0:34.9 | Chris, Kavanaugh, you. |
| 0:38.5 | You're my co-host. That's you. Yes. Matt, Brown.ugh, you're my co-host. |
| 0:39.0 | That's you. |
| 0:39.3 | Yes. |
| 0:41.8 | Matt, Brown, that's who I am. |
| 0:42.9 | I'm here. |
| 0:48.5 | It feels like it's hardly any time at all since I last spoke to you. |
| 0:49.2 | I know. |
| 0:54.1 | It's a bit weird during an introduction when we're kind of a continuation episode. |
| 0:55.0 | This is big brain stuff, Chris. |
| 0:58.0 | Yeah, it is. |
| 0:59.0 | We're not lying when we're saying we're listen to the greatest minds. |
| 1:02.0 | We've got three of them. |
| 1:04.0 | And we're still figuring, we're still handling it, we're still processing. |
| 1:07.0 | We're still on topic one. |
| 1:09.0 | Why are they having this conversation? We're still working topic one. Why are they having this conversation? |
| 1:12.8 | We're still working on the definitions. |
| 1:15.7 | But we'll get there. |
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