Hey y'all, it's Jason here. Just wanted to give you a quick warning that today's bonus episode

does contain references to PTSD symptoms and substance abuse, and it may not be suitable for all

listeners, and I just thought it was fair to give everybody a warning. Alright, let's get into the

episode.

I'm Jason Kander, and this is Majority 54. The podcast that helps the 54% of us who did not vote for

Donald Trump talk to those of us who did about the most divisive issues in our country. Today's

episode is a little bit different, and we're excited about it. So for a little while,

Ravi and I and the team at Wander have been talking about the possibility of doing a few bonus

episodes where we talk to people who we think are just really interesting folks who can give us

insight on the mission of this podcast, which is helping you talk to people in your life

who might be more conservative, who you want to bring around. And we just have this sort of

stable of people that we've been wanting to talk to, but it doesn't really fit the podcast

usual format of going through the news of the week. And so we're going to try that right here.

And we're starting with Chris Taylor, and I'm going to bring Chris in a minute, but first I want

to introduce you to him a bit. I'll just tell you how I came to know him. I had seen him come across

my feet earlier this year a couple of times. I saw a combat veteran who was running for Congress.

I could see that his point of view was coming from, you know, kind of the right side of the Republican

party that he was in a primary. And I remember it standing out to me because his personal story

in mine had something in common, which is he had recovered from post-traumatic stress. And in his

case, he also had recovered from substance abuse. And he was, I think, six years sober. And I remember

being intrigued by that, but not really digging much deeper. And then a few months later,

I remember seeing the news that he had relapsed, that he had overdosed, that he was getting out of the

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