Hey there, it's Stephen Dobner.

If you divided the world into two groups of people, one that likes to ask questions and one

that would rather answer them, I would definitely be in the first group, the question askers.

It's what I do for a living, but it's also one of my very favorite things to do.

But once in a while, I do find also one of my very favorite things to do.

But once in a while, I do find myself on the answering end of things, and that can be fun, too. It certainly was when I recently sat down with Debbie Millman, a designer, educator, and writer, who is host of the podcast, Design Matters.

And that's the episode we are about to play for you. As you'll hear, we are coming up on a

couple of big anniversaries around here, 20 years since Steve Levitt and I published Freakonomics

and 15 years since I launched Freakonomics Radio. You'll also hear a bit about a new project.

I'm starting a TV talk show with the working title Better in

Person. You'll hear more about that in the months to come. In the meantime, if you want to catch

me in person, I will be in Washington, D.C. on Sunday, November 2nd, to celebrate 20 years

of Freakonomics in conversation with Jeff Bennett at 6th and I. And I will be in New York

City on Thursday, November 13th in conversation with Bud Mishkin at the 92nd Street Y. For tickets

for the New York and DC events, go to Freakonomics.com slash live shows. Okay, here is today's

episode with me answering Debbie Millman's questions on

design matters. I had never spoken with Debbie before this interview, but I liked her a great deal.

If you feel the same way, you should check out her show on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get

your podcasts. As always, thanks for listening.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

On Design Matters, Debbie talks with some of the most creative people in the world about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Stephen Dubner talks about 20 years of Freakonomics and about our extraordinary capacities to adapt and change.

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