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BibleThinker

A powerful argument against Christianity.

BibleThinker

Mike Winger

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.93K Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2023

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

This is a delicate issue because the terms of the discussion push an evaluation of the person who is failing to find God. I hope that listeners can hear that I am not trying to offer any personal attacks on individuals, but am trying to offer an analysis of how a claim like "I'm trying to find God and I am not finding Him" can actually involve a situation more complicated than a simple, sincere, two-dimensional search. Without labeling people with specific explanations for their particular situation, I can acknowledge several layers to this issue which undercut this argument's power as evidence that God does not exist. My honest hope and prayer for those who feel they are seeking God and failing to find Him is that they would continue seeking as sincerely as they can and wait on God to open their eyes to Him. Perhaps you find my answer unsatisfactory. In that case you might be interested in a more detailed answer from a philosopher who is better versed in such things. CLICK HERE. My website: https://BibleThinker.org

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0:00.0

the hiddenness and silence of God is causing me doubts.

0:04.0

Is there any advice or help you can offer such as that God is silent now

0:08.2

because revelation has been completed with the New Testament? Thanks.

0:12.0

So Mike, the hiddenness of God is one of the, it's simultaneously a philosophical argument against

0:18.9

God's existence or at least against God's love. And on the other hand, it is also a very

0:26.8

emotionally heavy and influential argument. Often, the more philosophical arguments aren't

0:32.4

emotionally very impactful, I think. A lot of times, you know, like I look at, say, the,

0:38.6

the column causing a lot of glory. I mean, I go, wow, that's a really good argument for God's

0:41.5

existence, but I don't know how much it strikes people's emotions. I look at the moral argument

0:46.8

and I go, ah, that one hits people's emotions and it's intellectually strong as well. So that's

0:51.7

interesting. This kind of hits both. And the hiddenness argument goes something like this. And I'm just

0:56.0

going to, I mean, something like this. I don't have a syllogism before me to present to you,

1:00.0

but it goes something like this. Hey, um, if God really loves people and he wants them to know him

1:07.5

and he wants them to follow him, then he would make efforts to reveal himself to those people,

1:14.7

right? So if you had a sincere non-believer, a sincere non-believer who was sincerely looking

1:21.6

and searching for God, but not finding God, that would perhaps prove that God doesn't really love

1:27.7

them and want them saved. Because look, they're sincere and they're trying, but they're not finding.

1:34.3

So there must be some fault in God because their motives, intentions, and methods are right.

1:41.9

This is the divine hiddenness thing, God's, so God's hiding from this person, this hypothetical

1:47.1

person. There's a few ways to poke holes in this argument, okay, logically speaking, I think.

1:54.2

One is to challenge how much sincerity is really going on in this person.

1:58.9

That while they believe they're sincere, I'm not saying they're knowingly being deceitful about

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