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Apple Podcast or wherever you like to listen. This is talk easy. I'm Sam for go so. Welcome to the show. Today I'm joined by Toein O.G. Otatollah.

Toyin is a Nigerian American visual artist known for her multimedia drawings and works on paper.

Using black pen ink, charcoal, and pastel, she explores the themes of socioeconomic inequality,

queer and gender theory, and no of social

economic inequality, queer and gender theory, and notions of blackness as a visual symbol.

Of course, she does a whole lot more than that,

and has for over a decade now. As you'll see, the people in her work

often appear to have just done something or just about to do something. They're not in transit, but in transition, unable to be

pinned down, located, understood, or defined. Toane says, that's my way of fighting that expectation that people have about blackness,

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