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And... Hi this is the Josh Marshall podcast featuring Kate Rika. We had Take 2 last night, right? Second try at this. It worked out a little better than the first time. Although I guess, you know, at this point, you don't know what history is until you're in the present right history is always changing I guess in some ways as bleak and as horrifying as that first debate was the only

debate of that campaign were in a different campaign I guess we start to see it a little differently.

It was terrible, but I think most of us are glad we're here now and not there, right?

So maybe, I don't want to say it was a blessing in disguise, in any case.

I'm kind of going off on a funny tangent here, but it's hard to think how you see these things.

In retrospect, in any case, as you know, we had the big debate, maybe the only debate, although I guess as we've

gone through the morning, that sort of seems to be a work in progress as we sort of see who wants

what. But you had the debate between Trump and

Kamla Harris my sense and I was thinking about this last night and I thought

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