Hey, everybody, Mary Ann Williamson here, and thank you so much for joining me.

I'm very excited about our conversation that matters today

with economist Stephanie Kelton. I want to begin by talking about how a caterpillar becomes a butterfly.

A caterpillar literally disintegrates and it disintegrates into what scientists called an imaginal soup, a soup of what is called

imaginal cells.

And out of these imaginal cells comes the butterfly.

When it comes to economics, that's how I see Stephanie Kelton.

There's no question but that we are an economic crisis in our country right now and in many ways

the world is an economic crisis but what the United States is going through now with COVID

etc. 93 million people were living near poverty even before the pandemic. Eight million people

more have been thrown onto poverty since it began. And we have a Congress, which is,

even as we speak, withholding the economic resources that people need literally in order to

survive. We have millions who might be thrown out of their homes. We have millions who are

wondering how they're going to feed their children. It's extraordinary

the coldness and even the cruelty. I don't think it's hyperbole to say cruelty of a

Congress that will make sure that the Pentagon gets funded this week, but still can't seem to get it

together to give the kind of financial relief to people that

people so desperately need. Well, we know that something is terribly wrong, that this is true,

but we need those who can articulate for us how we got here, what's happening now, and how to

make things right. And that's where Stephanie Kelton comes in. Incredible book. It's a

bestseller. I highly recommend it. But a silver lining that's inherent in the pandemic is most

of us have more time to read than usual. And it's a good thing, anything that gives us the

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