We're a subsidiary of publicly traded company. So the last thing that we disclosed was

over $7 million in ARR. So you're right. You're right there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm right on the

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Hey folks, my guest today is Massimo Ari Argani. He's building B-Free.io. He's the CEO of the company as a business

unit, and the company is a business unit of a larger company called Growins. We find him on

Bloomberg. They're focused on democratizing content design. They've got a visual builder for email,

pages and pop-ups available at B-free.Ioneowned. They're embedded into over 600 plus SaaS applications,

including 40% of Gartner's quadrant for multi-channel marketing platforms. Massimor,

you ready to take us to the top? We're ready. I'm still shocked the guy's creative as you. You're

still getting everything you want out of working for a in a in a subsidiary of a publicly traded company but

you're still enjoying yourself yeah totally you know it's there's there's there's pros and cons but but it's

it's it's fun yeah all right so what's changed since we last spoke is the playbook still the same again

you were really white labeling these sort of page builders for other SaaS applications

it's it's a big space as As you know, democratizing design, you look at the last raise that Canva did,

you know, 40X, their error, I mean, the space is just, is just exploding. And we're playing in

the same space, focus on designing emails and landing pages, now pop-ups

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