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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

A New Ketamine

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Health & Fitness, Alternative Health, Medicine, Mental Health

4.7524 Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

The FDA just approved Ketarx for surgical pain, but the company has its eyes on depression.

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Published On: 08/15/2025

Duration: 18 minutes, 30 seconds

Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The FDA just approved ketamine for pain, but they have their eyes on something else.

0:08.3

Welcome to the Carlet Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:13.9

I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlet Psychiatry Report.

0:17.6

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:26.1

We're going to interrupt our series on starting a psych med to bring you breaking news about ketamine.

0:32.1

This month, the FDA made two critical decisions that move ketamine, the original racemic ketamine, closer to approval

0:39.7

and depression. The first, on August the 8th, they approved KetaRX, an intramuscular

0:46.4

ketamine for surgical pain. Number two, three days later, on August 11th, the FDA fast-tracked

0:53.8

a patented intravenous ketamine, NRX-100,

0:57.8

toward a possible indication for suicidality in depression.

1:01.7

In today's episode, you'll learn why this matters in a world where intranasal s ketamine

1:06.5

is already approved as bravado for depression,

1:09.8

and how these new companies are planning to change psychiatry as they expand their products.

1:15.1

First, let's look at how they are even able to do this with a drug that has been on the market since 1966,

1:20.9

when ketamine was launched as a dissociative anesthetic.

1:25.4

Companies can claim a new patent on an old drug if the drug is already generic

1:30.6

and the FDA thinks they have something new to offer. The idea here is that it's not the

1:36.6

chemical itself that is being patented, but a novel idea, like using doxapine at a low dose

1:43.6

to treat insomnia. That is how Silenor

1:47.1

gained a patent for the 3 and 6 milligrams doxapin dosages in 2010. These are called secondary

1:55.2

patents, and some of the ways that companies can achieve this are...

2:00.2

1. A new formulation like XR or O'DT.

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