A New Ketamine
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
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🗓️ 25 August 2025
⏱️ 19 minutes
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The FDA just approved Ketarx for surgical pain, but the company has its eyes on depression.
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Published On: 08/15/2025
Duration: 18 minutes, 30 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | The FDA just approved ketamine for pain, but they have their eyes on something else. |
| 0:08.3 | Welcome to the Carlet Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:13.9 | I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlet Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:17.6 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:26.1 | We're going to interrupt our series on starting a psych med to bring you breaking news about ketamine. |
| 0:32.1 | This month, the FDA made two critical decisions that move ketamine, the original racemic ketamine, closer to approval |
| 0:39.7 | and depression. The first, on August the 8th, they approved KetaRX, an intramuscular |
| 0:46.4 | ketamine for surgical pain. Number two, three days later, on August 11th, the FDA fast-tracked |
| 0:53.8 | a patented intravenous ketamine, NRX-100, |
| 0:57.8 | toward a possible indication for suicidality in depression. |
| 1:01.7 | In today's episode, you'll learn why this matters in a world where intranasal s ketamine |
| 1:06.5 | is already approved as bravado for depression, |
| 1:09.8 | and how these new companies are planning to change psychiatry as they expand their products. |
| 1:15.1 | First, let's look at how they are even able to do this with a drug that has been on the market since 1966, |
| 1:20.9 | when ketamine was launched as a dissociative anesthetic. |
| 1:25.4 | Companies can claim a new patent on an old drug if the drug is already generic |
| 1:30.6 | and the FDA thinks they have something new to offer. The idea here is that it's not the |
| 1:36.6 | chemical itself that is being patented, but a novel idea, like using doxapine at a low dose |
| 1:43.6 | to treat insomnia. That is how Silenor |
| 1:47.1 | gained a patent for the 3 and 6 milligrams doxapin dosages in 2010. These are called secondary |
| 1:55.2 | patents, and some of the ways that companies can achieve this are... |
| 2:00.2 | 1. A new formulation like XR or O'DT. |
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